1 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:41,670 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:44,130 into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:51,710 --> 00:00:47,410 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:51,720 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,300 --> 00:00:56,170 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters 7 00:01:04,829 --> 00:01:00,310 as well as other dimensions it's time to 8 00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:04,839 take back the night now your 9 00:01:13,850 --> 00:01:07,060 electrifying hosts of exploring the 10 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:17,370 spirits come forth we are looking to 11 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:20,590 contact the other side to see beyond the 12 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:27,490 veil excuse me Tim I see that sure in 13 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:32,290 the middle of holding a seance is that 14 00:01:37,859 --> 00:01:34,320 okay if I join you 15 00:01:40,140 --> 00:01:37,869 sure but you have to be respectful or 16 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:40,150 they won't come across us from the 17 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:42,100 Summerland okay 18 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:46,590 so who you trying to contact a loved one 19 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:51,010 family member or even your beloved cat 20 00:01:56,370 --> 00:01:53,980 or not this time I recently visited the 21 00:01:59,010 --> 00:01:56,380 grave of charles fort in the old 22 00:02:01,500 --> 00:01:59,020 cemetery outside of Albany and since our 23 00:02:04,770 --> 00:02:01,510 show is on 14 phenomena tonight 24 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:04,780 I thought perhaps we could call Charles 25 00:02:15,509 --> 00:02:12,940 to join us well I I can see a figure 26 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:15,519 starting to form right behind you so 27 00:02:21,810 --> 00:02:18,400 really yeah you must be he must be a 28 00:02:25,289 --> 00:02:21,820 pretty good medium after all but hey 29 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:25,299 well we're getting late the the the 30 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:28,090 show's starting now so maybe you should 31 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:30,160 just invite your friend to come along 32 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:32,830 with us back to the case of our studio 33 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:35,950 and and and he could join us well we 34 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:38,910 talked to a real representative 35 00:02:47,729 --> 00:02:44,130 representative of 40 and phenomena ah 36 00:02:49,449 --> 00:02:47,739 Charles come with us come with us come 37 00:02:53,470 --> 00:02:49,459 with us 38 00:02:58,690 --> 00:02:53,480 good evening Tim did Charles come with 39 00:02:59,679 --> 00:02:58,700 us well I think he's I think he's here 40 00:03:01,899 --> 00:02:59,689 somewhere 41 00:03:05,229 --> 00:03:01,909 you know I visited I I'm an older 42 00:03:08,949 --> 00:03:05,239 fourteen myself really old one these 43 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:08,959 days but you know I was on the board of 44 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:12,170 directors of John keels New York 40 in 45 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:14,450 society comma true fact 46 00:03:19,509 --> 00:03:16,370 yeah yeah in fact they had meetings in 47 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:19,519 the building next door which has been a 48 00:03:24,580 --> 00:03:22,250 vacant lot for about eight year eight or 49 00:03:28,210 --> 00:03:24,590 nine years now and they just started 50 00:03:30,490 --> 00:03:28,220 putting up a another skyscraper which 51 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:30,500 I'm not looking forward to because the 52 00:03:34,649 --> 00:03:32,090 building that they're putting up will be 53 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:34,659 right outside my window and it will be a 54 00:03:40,569 --> 00:03:37,400 consistent pounding and hammering and 55 00:03:43,750 --> 00:03:40,579 all of that but on several occasions 56 00:03:45,699 --> 00:03:43,760 I've gotten with my friend the MIB and 57 00:03:49,390 --> 00:03:45,709 lady a Claudia Cunningham who's been on 58 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:49,400 the show several times and we visited 59 00:03:54,699 --> 00:03:51,620 there Charles and forts a grave up there 60 00:03:57,039 --> 00:03:54,709 outside of Albany and some pretty 61 00:04:01,869 --> 00:03:57,049 strange things have happened there now I 62 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:01,879 don't know whether you can put that all 63 00:04:08,890 --> 00:04:04,970 on the charles fort being buried there 64 00:04:12,099 --> 00:04:08,900 but there been MIB scene and dogs and 65 00:04:15,069 --> 00:04:12,109 even a floating a couple who float over 66 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:15,079 the gravestones at night dressed in 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:21,769 pajamas and carrying lit candles that's 68 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:23,690 up on our YouTube channel right I think 69 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:26,570 if you just type in Charles a fort there 70 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:30,010 and the the search bar you'll be able to 71 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:33,250 see me with the claudia roaming around 72 00:04:38,649 --> 00:04:36,710 charles forts I was gonna say mausoleum 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:38,659 but I not sure it's a mausoleum the 74 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:40,490 whole family is buried there I think 75 00:04:47,649 --> 00:04:45,440 there's nine members of the fort family 76 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:47,659 buried in the rural cemetery just 77 00:04:53,649 --> 00:04:50,870 outside of Albany but Tim let us not to 78 00:04:58,180 --> 00:04:53,659 dilly-dally in the cemetery we'll get 79 00:05:00,129 --> 00:04:58,190 there soon enough I'm sure let us know 80 00:05:03,159 --> 00:05:00,139 who our guest is to see me why don't you 81 00:05:05,709 --> 00:05:03,169 introduce our special guest for tonight 82 00:05:08,469 --> 00:05:05,719 right well tonight I'm really happy that 83 00:05:11,649 --> 00:05:08,479 we have with us uh Tobias Weiland 84 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:11,659 now Tobias is a passionate 14 who 85 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:14,330 started his investigative career as a 86 00:05:19,089 --> 00:05:17,270 move on field investigator and following 87 00:05:21,459 --> 00:05:19,099 that he investigated independently a 88 00:05:25,689 --> 00:05:21,469 prior to becoming the head writer and 89 00:05:27,670 --> 00:05:25,699 editor for the singular 40 in society 90 00:05:30,309 --> 00:05:27,680 now Tobias as a frequent guest on 91 00:05:32,649 --> 00:05:30,319 various podcast and radio shows now 92 00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:32,659 including exploring the bizarre and was 93 00:05:38,019 --> 00:05:35,300 featured in the small town monsters 94 00:05:39,999 --> 00:05:38,029 documentary terror in the skies which 95 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:40,009 you know we had Seth on just a couple of 96 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:43,969 weeks ago about that particular show for 97 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:47,990 here now to bias he was on small terror 98 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:50,120 in the sky source work investigating 99 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:53,150 Mothman sightings around Lake Michigan 100 00:05:58,659 --> 00:05:55,849 now Tobias ins wife Emily had been 101 00:06:01,450 --> 00:05:58,669 involved with the Lake Michigan Mothman 102 00:06:05,350 --> 00:06:01,460 investigation since its advent in the 103 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:05,360 spring of 2017 and they're currently the 104 00:06:10,869 --> 00:06:07,550 only investigators to have conducted 105 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:10,879 on-site investigations combined with 106 00:06:16,089 --> 00:06:13,759 witness interviews across multiple 107 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:16,099 states so Tobias thanks for being with 108 00:06:20,769 --> 00:06:18,289 us tonight on exploring the bizarre we 109 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:20,779 have got a lot to talk about yeah thanks 110 00:06:26,379 --> 00:06:24,050 thanks for having me Jim you're more 111 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:26,389 than welcome hey I have a question and 112 00:06:30,459 --> 00:06:28,849 of course it's a pretty obvious one how 113 00:06:33,189 --> 00:06:30,469 did you get the ball rolling on the 114 00:06:37,629 --> 00:06:33,199 charles fort now when we when I was a 115 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:37,639 youngster growing up we had the weekly 116 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:39,770 reader book club and one of the books 117 00:06:44,709 --> 00:06:41,449 that you could buy for I think in those 118 00:06:46,119 --> 00:06:44,719 days probably 50 Cent's was the book of 119 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:46,129 the Damned there maybe it was low I 120 00:06:51,610 --> 00:06:48,409 don't know perhaps both of them how did 121 00:06:55,329 --> 00:06:51,620 you get initiated into the occult of 14 122 00:06:57,490 --> 00:06:55,339 phenomena sure so you know when when I 123 00:07:01,570 --> 00:06:57,500 was growing up I would read guys like 124 00:07:03,909 --> 00:07:01,580 you know Loren Coleman and and John keel 125 00:07:07,659 --> 00:07:03,919 and you know they would they would throw 126 00:07:08,559 --> 00:07:07,669 that that word for T in around and you 127 00:07:10,629 --> 00:07:08,569 know they would they would talk about 128 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:10,639 Charles fort and and he seemed to be 129 00:07:16,869 --> 00:07:12,680 almost this this mythical figure and 130 00:07:20,709 --> 00:07:16,879 that inspired me to to seek out some of 131 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:20,719 of his writings and you know now I own 132 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:25,580 the complete collection but you know I 133 00:07:30,159 --> 00:07:27,110 was I was just sort of instantly 134 00:07:32,769 --> 00:07:30,169 fascinated by those and and and not just 135 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:32,779 the accounts themselves although I mean 136 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:35,209 they were they were groundbreaking for 137 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:39,409 their era but but his approach you know 138 00:07:44,739 --> 00:07:43,039 it was one that we've seen imitated 139 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:44,749 since you know it's it's it's really 140 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:47,929 almost become sort of the the the 141 00:07:54,820 --> 00:07:51,110 standard paradigm I think under which 142 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:54,830 you know most investigators it at least 143 00:08:01,359 --> 00:07:58,550 you know really really good ones so you 144 00:08:04,899 --> 00:08:01,369 know sort of operate these days that 145 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:04,909 that holistic view of these phenomena 146 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:06,889 you know I mean like he said very 147 00:08:12,009 --> 00:08:09,889 famously one begins 148 00:08:14,799 --> 00:08:12,019 I'm sorry accused me of one measures a 149 00:08:17,769 --> 00:08:14,809 circle beginning anywhere and and I took 150 00:08:20,739 --> 00:08:17,779 that to heart and I still do okay so 151 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:20,749 what now you have a very active website 152 00:08:25,689 --> 00:08:23,209 it just went there before the the show 153 00:08:29,679 --> 00:08:25,699 started and and I see you've got all the 154 00:08:33,490 --> 00:08:29,689 latest news up there including this one 155 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:33,500 incident where there's some fellow left 156 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:35,870 a bomb on on the sidewalk because he 157 00:08:39,790 --> 00:08:37,130 thought that there was going to be an 158 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:39,800 alien invasion yeah but what's what's 159 00:08:45,059 --> 00:08:42,649 the scoop behind that one sure well I 160 00:08:48,220 --> 00:08:45,069 mean honestly that now this is a 161 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:48,230 fascinating story for a number of 162 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:51,490 reasons for anybody who hasn't yet 163 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:54,290 become familiar with with this guy's 164 00:09:01,800 --> 00:08:56,480 story so out in Pennsylvania there was a 165 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:01,810 guy named David oxen writer and he 166 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:06,649 called his his well not as landlord it 167 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:09,170 was a hotel manager at a hotel he was 168 00:09:14,590 --> 00:09:12,560 staying at it it it seems like the kind 169 00:09:18,579 --> 00:09:14,600 of hotel that that maybe has you know 170 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:18,589 extended stays and anyways we he calls 171 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:21,529 this hotel manager and you know he just 172 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:24,470 lets the guy know okay you know in case 173 00:09:29,079 --> 00:09:26,360 you were wondering I I have this bomb 174 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:29,089 that I built and it's it's important 175 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:30,140 that I speak 176 00:09:37,450 --> 00:09:34,850 the authorities and and you know the in 177 00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:37,460 it it's it's almost funny how this sort 178 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:40,220 of went down afterwards so this this 179 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:42,530 hotel manager just sort of demands that 180 00:09:50,140 --> 00:09:46,210 he take it outside and in an oxen writer 181 00:09:51,790 --> 00:09:50,150 he capitulates and he gathers his bomb 182 00:09:54,970 --> 00:09:51,800 up and he takes it out next to the 183 00:09:57,340 --> 00:09:54,980 dumpster and the police arrive and they 184 00:10:01,740 --> 00:09:57,350 talked to this guy and he tells him 185 00:10:07,690 --> 00:10:01,750 about how some time ago I think it was 186 00:10:09,910 --> 00:10:07,700 2014 he had an encounter with what he 187 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:09,920 called you know extraterrestrials and 188 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:11,780 said that they had delivered a message 189 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:14,750 that if humanity didn't get our 190 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:17,630 collective act together they were going 191 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:21,260 to blow up earth with a nuclear laser 192 00:10:27,910 --> 00:10:25,550 beam and it's nice to know we have some 193 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:27,920 friends out there yeah right you know 194 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:29,630 they were there they're not judgmental 195 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:33,860 or anything and so yeah it's it's easy 196 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:36,770 to laugh at this honestly it really is 197 00:10:45,580 --> 00:10:39,680 it's it's sort of on the the far side of 198 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:45,590 the spectrum towards you know humor you 199 00:10:49,470 --> 00:10:47,600 know it is very friend friend 200 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:49,480 but what that fort was known to 201 00:10:58,060 --> 00:10:53,810 sometimes a Yank a leg or two I mean 202 00:11:01,270 --> 00:10:58,070 sure yeah in fact that's why I knew John 203 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:01,280 he loved you know it fairly well for 204 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:03,140 four years in fact he lived kind of in 205 00:11:07,450 --> 00:11:04,970 the neighborhood here and you never 206 00:11:10,330 --> 00:11:07,460 quite knew you know sometimes if he 207 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:10,340 wasn't just kind of you know like you're 208 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:13,310 telling a a tall tale just like Charles 209 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:16,610 a you know a fort the woods so I think 210 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:19,010 some people think him extremely serious 211 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:21,890 sometimes and perhaps he wasn't meaning 212 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:23,660 to be and that comes through perhaps 213 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:25,520 more in some of the literature that he 214 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:27,590 wrote I mean our favorite movie that we 215 00:11:33,730 --> 00:11:29,690 went to see several times was killer 216 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:33,740 clowns from outer space you can see the 217 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:36,710 direction that were we're going in here 218 00:11:41,620 --> 00:11:38,750 but it's a good one I actually own that 219 00:11:43,540 --> 00:11:41,630 on DVD oh it's a great it's a great it's 220 00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:43,550 a great film now you know I'm a 221 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:46,640 big Yankee a fan Peter who Peter and I 222 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:49,870 follow the game very closely he's the 223 00:11:56,860 --> 00:11:53,360 gentleman who does our YouTube 224 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:56,870 mr. UFO secret files that puts up all 225 00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:59,360 the the shows and adds a little cartoon 226 00:12:04,540 --> 00:12:01,760 there in the the beginning of Tim and I 227 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:04,550 we're followers of the the Yankees you 228 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:06,320 know we root every day and don't miss a 229 00:12:11,319 --> 00:12:08,570 game in fact they're gonna be in in 230 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:11,329 England playing Boston now don't ask me 231 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:12,560 whether in England playing Boston 232 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:14,390 because that's not where Massachusetts 233 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:16,870 is located but that's Willoughby this 234 00:12:23,740 --> 00:12:20,690 weekend but you have a story on your 235 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:23,750 your website which is what's a singular 236 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:26,990 40 and calm is that correct yeah that's 237 00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:31,250 the URL yeah yeah okay you have a story 238 00:12:36,579 --> 00:12:33,980 about number 33 from the Yankees from 239 00:12:39,819 --> 00:12:36,589 years ago Jose Canseco who apparently 240 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:39,829 has done somewhat weeding he's not in 241 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:41,930 the category perhaps of our beloved the 242 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:44,240 president but he's been putting up some 243 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:48,250 pretty strange messages as well he has 244 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:52,450 and you know it's it's hard to know what 245 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:56,860 to make of those frankly you know it's 246 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:00,079 by all appearances it's it's sort of the 247 00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:04,690 you know last gasp of a fading celebrity 248 00:13:12,490 --> 00:13:08,390 but you know it it's really difficult to 249 00:13:15,190 --> 00:13:12,500 tell how much you know with with with 250 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:15,200 how much gravitas he really approaches 251 00:13:19,690 --> 00:13:17,870 these things you know I think it's 252 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:19,700 telling so he for anybody who doesn't 253 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:22,190 know he's been tweeting about time 254 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:25,970 travel and vampires and at this point 255 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:30,230 he's actually through his his girlfriend 256 00:13:36,819 --> 00:13:34,120 / manager or something actually selling 257 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:36,829 expeditions to to go find Bigfoot he 258 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:39,860 says he can you can show you 11 yeah if 259 00:13:45,819 --> 00:13:42,529 you pay I had several thousand dollars 260 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:45,829 and fly out to Vegas he'll he'll go and 261 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:48,500 and take yeah and it's it's actually 262 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:50,480 interesting and I wanted to mention this 263 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:52,670 before about oxen right or to you know 264 00:13:54,850 --> 00:13:54,350 and and you're absolutely right about 265 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:54,860 you know 266 00:14:00,670 --> 00:13:57,110 you're John keels and you're Charles 267 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:00,680 Charles ports sort of uh you know having 268 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:04,520 a sort of tongue-in-cheek approach to 269 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:06,190 some of this stuff you know like fort 270 00:14:11,730 --> 00:14:09,320 again pretty famously as long as long as 271 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:11,740 it's not in Bigfoot's cheek its oh yeah 272 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:15,170 right right but you know you know fort 273 00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:17,810 sort of famously had that idea of the 274 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:20,990 the cosmic trickster you know like this 275 00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:24,880 this intelligence that he just sort of 276 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:28,460 used as a way to try to make sense of 277 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:31,070 the nonsensical which you know frankly 278 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:33,950 is is how a lot of this stuff seems and 279 00:14:39,490 --> 00:14:36,830 so you know when we're when we're 280 00:14:42,690 --> 00:14:39,500 looking at guys like oxen rider and and 281 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:42,700 and and you know Jose Canseco I think 282 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:44,960 something that we probably don't talk 283 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:47,930 enough about in this in this field in 284 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:51,440 this industry is is mental health you 285 00:14:57,460 --> 00:14:54,950 know and and how that applies to these 286 00:15:01,330 --> 00:14:57,470 stories you know I I don't know that I 287 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:01,340 was a Canseco isn't having uh you know 288 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:03,500 cocaine-fueled freaked out breakdown at 289 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:05,330 this point frankly I mean given his 290 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:08,630 history but I think that we're all very 291 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:12,080 quick to start to you know sort of just 292 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:14,570 poke fun at them or you know like that 293 00:15:19,540 --> 00:15:17,210 that oxen writer guide who knows what 294 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:19,550 what his deal is when you know there are 295 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:21,110 probably some pretty important 296 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:23,750 conversations that that we could be 297 00:15:30,190 --> 00:15:26,570 having about you know how we sort of 298 00:15:32,650 --> 00:15:30,200 want to approach you know potential 299 00:15:36,250 --> 00:15:32,660 witnesses contact is just anybody of 300 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:36,260 interest you know in the paranormal or 301 00:15:43,570 --> 00:15:40,700 or or 40n subcultures when when they 302 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:43,580 when they start saying stuff like this 303 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:46,610 frankly and and and how much seriousness 304 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:49,790 you know we really want to apply to it 305 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:51,830 you know I for instance I'll just throw 306 00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:55,820 out a a hypothetical here I'm not saying 307 00:16:02,920 --> 00:15:59,120 this is the case but you know what I I 308 00:16:05,020 --> 00:16:02,930 don't know that oxen writer wasn't in 309 00:16:08,380 --> 00:16:05,030 contact with with some sort of 310 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:08,390 otherworldly intelligence and frankly it 311 00:16:16,330 --> 00:16:11,210 kind of irrelevant you know I've spoken 312 00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:16,340 to a lot of witnesses and you know a lot 313 00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:18,590 of them had been through some pretty 314 00:16:26,770 --> 00:16:21,940 traumatic experiences and the fact is 315 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:26,780 whether or not what they said happened 316 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:29,090 to them was the objective truth that 317 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:31,340 there really happened to him 318 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:33,280 you know they they could use some help 319 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:37,220 either way you know there was a study 320 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:41,720 done not too long ago that showed you 321 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:43,760 know again regardless of the the 322 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:47,780 veracity of any alien abductees claims 323 00:16:54,490 --> 00:16:51,500 that that shows that people who report 324 00:17:00,880 --> 00:16:54,500 alien abduction experiences can often 325 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:00,890 suffer like PTSD like symptoms and and 326 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:03,590 yeah I mean it it wouldn't hurt him to 327 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:06,980 go talk to a professional either way you 328 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:10,250 know I guess that's well he could come 329 00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:12,650 on our show either one of the those 330 00:17:19,420 --> 00:17:15,260 individuals come on our show and and we 331 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:19,430 would let them tell their their side of 332 00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:22,010 the story and let our listeners decide 333 00:17:27,490 --> 00:17:25,400 for themselves now getting perhaps a 334 00:17:28,449 --> 00:17:27,500 little bit more serious and less away 335 00:17:30,850 --> 00:17:28,459 from the fringe 336 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:30,860 I did want to give a shout out in and 337 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:33,800 again well to my dear friend Ted 338 00:17:41,050 --> 00:17:37,100 Phillips I understand he's had heart 339 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:41,060 problems recently and he's not feeling 340 00:17:46,210 --> 00:17:43,940 very very well and I do hope that he 341 00:17:49,030 --> 00:17:46,220 recovers he's a delightful a person I've 342 00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,040 known him for a long long time and we've 343 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:50,960 had him on the show several times and 344 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,470 he's had a fascinating a career of 345 00:17:59,590 --> 00:17:56,000 course one of the big things is he's 346 00:18:02,380 --> 00:17:59,600 investigated are the the orbs or the 347 00:18:04,330 --> 00:18:02,390 mysterious lights at Marley woods 348 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:04,340 now if somebody was telling me that you 349 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:08,210 know something about that about lights 350 00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:12,650 and we really yeah Marley woods did not 351 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:15,790 ring it about well where is it well it's 352 00:18:23,890 --> 00:18:21,590 ghost lights ghost lights therein is it 353 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:23,900 in Missouri Missouri yes that's correct 354 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,860 yeah yeah I can't say that I'm familiar 355 00:18:32,409 --> 00:18:29,840 with those specifically you know 356 00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:32,419 certainly I've run into that phenomenon 357 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:36,799 in other places where where are you 358 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:39,470 located where's your home base uh my 359 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:42,130 wife and I live in Madison Wisconsin ah 360 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:43,340 indeed 361 00:18:47,049 --> 00:18:45,020 well are you near where they had the 362 00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:47,059 they were building I guess about a 363 00:18:53,769 --> 00:18:49,400 decade ago the UFO landing is the strip 364 00:18:59,470 --> 00:18:53,779 oh boy now I know there's one up by 365 00:18:59,649 --> 00:18:59,480 Green Bay maybe Elmwood does that ring a 366 00:19:03,519 --> 00:18:59,659 bell 367 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:03,529 I it doesn't that doesn't mean that 368 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:05,690 there isn't you know a tiny town in 369 00:19:10,029 --> 00:19:07,100 Wisconsin somewhere that I've just never 370 00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:10,039 heard of but but ya know III know 371 00:19:15,490 --> 00:19:12,500 there's one up by Green Bay that's 372 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,500 that's where my wife went to college and 373 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:17,600 it's it's a pretty popular tourist 374 00:19:24,130 --> 00:19:20,440 attraction honestly as you can imagine 375 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:24,140 well have you had your share of cryptids 376 00:19:29,639 --> 00:19:27,320 there in Wisconsin oh sure 377 00:19:31,810 --> 00:19:29,649 you know honestly that's um that's 378 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:31,820 probably what I've spent the most time 379 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:35,600 on over the the past couple of years you 380 00:19:40,389 --> 00:19:37,640 know you you mentioned terror in the 381 00:19:43,419 --> 00:19:40,399 skies earlier yeah and yeah I mean that 382 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:43,429 that Lake Michigan Mothman investigation 383 00:19:50,139 --> 00:19:47,690 has it's it's taken up a well it's it's 384 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:50,149 taken off countless hours and at this 385 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:52,370 point and it's you know it's it's a 386 00:19:57,850 --> 00:19:54,289 fascinating case we really didn't even 387 00:20:02,649 --> 00:19:57,860 get to touch on anything but you know 388 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:02,659 maybe the absolute briefest highlights 389 00:20:08,919 --> 00:20:06,200 you know over the last 20 or 25 minutes 390 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:08,929 of terror and the skies there however 391 00:20:16,419 --> 00:20:12,110 much time was devoted to two Mothman 392 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:16,429 stuff but you know I've got right around 393 00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:20,090 a hundred sighting reports that I've 394 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:24,799 collected since since 2017 and you know 395 00:20:33,010 --> 00:20:29,450 there's been some concurrence you know 396 00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,020 tenuously associated high strangeness 397 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,640 events and things 398 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:36,320 that nature surrounding this - one of 399 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:40,760 which was you know orbs of glowing light 400 00:20:49,870 --> 00:20:44,090 reported in I think it was near Prairie 401 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:49,880 Creek Reservoir in Indiana so a lot of 402 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:51,620 people think and I in and I wouldn't 403 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:53,870 blame anybody who saw the the 404 00:21:01,630 --> 00:20:57,500 documentary for for thinking this that 405 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:01,640 you know most of the of the Lake 406 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:04,910 Michigan Mothman phenomenon and most of 407 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:06,290 the sightings and everything were 408 00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:08,930 relocated in Chicago and and and that 409 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:11,390 sort of the the place you know you would 410 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:14,390 want to really examine if you were 411 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:15,950 interested in this but you know honestly 412 00:21:19,390 --> 00:21:19,070 that's not what my investigation has 413 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:19,400 shown 414 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:21,110 I mean it's it's really spread out 415 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:24,310 pretty evenly between every state 416 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:27,050 bordering Lake Michigan you know we've 417 00:21:33,370 --> 00:21:30,200 we've received reports from you know 418 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:33,380 it's all over in Illinois of course you 419 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:35,150 know we've got reports from Wisconsin 420 00:21:39,970 --> 00:21:37,340 Michigan you know you're working what 421 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:39,980 you're working with Strickland on this 422 00:21:46,690 --> 00:21:42,050 ya long Strickler 423 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:46,700 you know we've we we've got a team of 40 424 00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:48,860 and researchers who are kind of working 425 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:50,900 together a lot and I handle most of the 426 00:21:54,970 --> 00:21:52,670 cases and you know then of course we 427 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:54,980 have friends and colleagues that that 428 00:22:01,570 --> 00:21:57,530 will console with and and and it's sort 429 00:22:04,510 --> 00:22:01,580 of a loose affiliation but yeah I mean 430 00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:04,520 he's definitely been you know the the 431 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:07,820 most active person other than myself now 432 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:11,510 back in 2017 there was a guy named 433 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:14,530 Manuel Navarrete and hidden here and 434 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:17,690 still does as far as I know the the UFO 435 00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:21,290 Clearing House website and you know he 436 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:23,270 actually received a pretty good number 437 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:26,510 of cases himself but you know what and 438 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:28,370 this is something else maybe not 439 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:31,370 everybody realizes a lot of the guys out 440 00:22:37,210 --> 00:22:33,610 doing this a lot of the investigators 441 00:22:40,510 --> 00:22:37,220 you know they've got full-time day jobs 442 00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:40,520 and Families hasn't and and so you know 443 00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:43,460 he kind of got away from it you know he 444 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:45,880 just he didn't have time to really 445 00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:47,800 investigate things 446 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,580 up to you know his his own standards or 447 00:22:57,330 --> 00:22:52,960 anybody's really and so he just kind of 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:22:57,340 had to leave it behind in in 2017 but 449 00:23:03,860 --> 00:22:59,650 but he was pretty actively involved as 450 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:03,870 as well and at least for that first year 451 00:23:08,190 --> 00:23:06,490 and how many how many sightings have 452 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:08,200 there been all together would you say 453 00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,510 yeah it's right around 100 you know we 454 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:15,520 have any of the witnesses actually been 455 00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,510 named or have they come forward publicly 456 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,480 you know there there have been a couple 457 00:23:28,050 --> 00:23:24,400 it's not as popular to do that as it 458 00:23:30,990 --> 00:23:28,060 used to be you know I my personal theory 459 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:31,000 behind that is you know I think since 460 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:35,410 the the 40s really know people Tobias 461 00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:36,760 with me let me hold you right there 462 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:38,740 because we're coming up to our bottom of 463 00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:40,630 the hour break when we come back we'll 464 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:42,670 continue our conversation with Tobias 465 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:46,810 Weiland and the Michigan Mothman on 466 00:24:01,030 --> 00:23:50,020 exploring the bizarre so stay tuned for 467 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:05,180 now back to exploring the bazaars with 468 00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:07,770 two of the most electrifying researchers 469 00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:11,070 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 470 00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:18,299 Lee and Kings hosts welcome back to 471 00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,220 exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz 472 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:23,120 tonight our guest is Timaeus Weyland and 473 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:27,210 so Tobias when did you first get 474 00:24:35,419 --> 00:24:32,240 involved with the the region Mothman oh 475 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:35,429 so my involvement with this case 476 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:38,490 actually came in the spring of 2017 477 00:24:45,980 --> 00:24:41,610 you know I saw three interesting reports 478 00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:45,990 come out of the MUFON database and and 479 00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:48,600 and they were all in mid-april of that 480 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:52,380 spring and and they all described you 481 00:24:59,120 --> 00:24:54,890 know seemingly three separate people's 482 00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:59,130 encounters with this this large humanoid 483 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,120 you know bat or bird-like creature you 484 00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:05,520 know so and and and it was it was 485 00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,220 interesting of course it was you know I 486 00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:10,860 mean you know usually you you're poking 487 00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:12,870 around on MUFON you see a lot of lights 488 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:15,270 and the sky stuff but you know monster 489 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:18,860 sightings not so much and so you know it 490 00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:21,750 piqued my interest to say the least and 491 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,840 I wrote an article up for it and and I 492 00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:26,400 honestly didn't expect to hear anything 493 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:28,200 else about it you know I just assumed 494 00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:29,970 that these would be weird you know 495 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:32,790 one-off sightings and that was gonna be 496 00:25:38,419 --> 00:25:35,490 the end of it they'd end up in the rug 497 00:25:41,289 --> 00:25:38,429 file and I you know I just move on but I 498 00:25:43,789 --> 00:25:41,299 mean that's not what happened obviously 499 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,799 you know idea it wasn't too long before 500 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,840 they just started just started rolling 501 00:25:50,299 --> 00:25:48,000 in and I noticed that they were coming 502 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:50,309 into you know UFO clearing house like I 503 00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:53,490 mentioned before and and and lanlan site 504 00:26:01,019 --> 00:25:56,110 phantoms and monsters and so 505 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:01,029 you know I what's curious naturally and 506 00:26:05,399 --> 00:26:03,130 and so I contacted both of those guys 507 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:05,409 and and I interviewed them both for the 508 00:26:10,409 --> 00:26:08,140 site and you know I had at that point 509 00:26:12,539 --> 00:26:10,419 they're in bed of a good number of 510 00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:12,549 sightings that that had already come in 511 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:14,649 I published in her interviews with them 512 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:19,210 in June and July of that year excuse me 513 00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:23,919 and so you know it wasn't too long after 514 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:27,460 that that a mutual friend actually 515 00:26:32,850 --> 00:26:31,090 introduced me Allison Jorn Lande and she 516 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:32,860 was an investigator out of Milwaukee and 517 00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:36,010 so she she had been in contact with them 518 00:26:41,009 --> 00:26:38,470 and and she said hey I know this guy 519 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:41,019 he's a pretty good investigator and he's 520 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:42,370 got this website and you've already 521 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:43,929 talked to him because he interviewed you 522 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:46,570 you know why don't why don't we all work 523 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,250 together and and you know so I I had a 524 00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:54,130 platform obviously the the singular 40 525 00:26:59,639 --> 00:26:56,200 in society and it wasn't too long before 526 00:27:01,529 --> 00:26:59,649 I was getting reports of my own and and 527 00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:01,539 it just snowballed from there 528 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:05,860 and and one of the most interesting 529 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,169 things that I think has has come out of 530 00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:10,480 this was it really wasn't that long 531 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:13,480 before we were getting historical 532 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:15,490 sightings you know we would we would we 533 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:18,220 would get sightings that people had been 534 00:27:25,289 --> 00:27:21,850 sitting on for years sometimes decades 535 00:27:27,539 --> 00:27:25,299 and the the narrative with those 536 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:27,549 witnesses was pretty consistent it was 537 00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:30,250 usually you know I had never heard of 538 00:27:34,259 --> 00:27:32,500 anything like this before I thought 539 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:34,269 nobody but me had ever seen anything 540 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:37,510 like this and my own family laughed at 541 00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:39,070 me when I tried to talk about it with 542 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:42,600 them so I just never talked about it and 543 00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:45,340 and you know I mean you know for for 544 00:27:51,389 --> 00:27:47,950 guys like us who are familiar with the 545 00:27:53,159 --> 00:27:51,399 the Point Pleasant sightings and in West 546 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:53,169 Virginia Mothman and stuff you know we 547 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:56,049 we might be sitting here thinking well 548 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,860 that's ridiculous 549 00:28:01,649 --> 00:27:58,720 everybody's heard Mothman you know come 550 00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,659 on right but that's not the case you 551 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:04,240 know most people are not familiar with 552 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:06,220 Keele most people are not familiar with 553 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:08,580 with Mothman and 554 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:11,910 if it wasn't for you know Google and and 555 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:14,430 things going viral on the internet a lot 556 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:17,730 of these people probably still wouldn't 557 00:28:25,670 --> 00:28:22,050 be honestly and so you know that that 558 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:25,680 always got to me that that that seemed 559 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:28,140 to indicate to me that that whatever we 560 00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:30,950 were looking into was something that 561 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:34,860 didn't just sort of spontaneously spring 562 00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:39,510 into being in in April of 2017 I mean 563 00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:41,550 this was something that that people in 564 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,280 the Great Lakes region seemingly had 565 00:28:49,460 --> 00:28:47,070 been dealing with for for decades and 566 00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:49,470 decades I mean the oldest sighting that 567 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:51,510 we have was actually you mentioned this 568 00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,970 earlier has anybody come forward and put 569 00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:55,740 their name on one of these well this guy 570 00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:58,500 did the the oldest sighting we had 571 00:29:02,500 --> 00:28:59,940 actually was a from a guy named Floyd 572 00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:02,510 Hancock and this was out of Indiana and 573 00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:07,740 and his sighting was in 1969 which you 574 00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:09,780 know it was it was less than than two 575 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:12,660 years after the collapse of the the 576 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:14,910 Silver Bridge which you know as a lot of 577 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:18,030 people listening probably know is widely 578 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:22,110 considered to have signaled the end to 579 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:26,490 the the the Mothman phenomenon but you 580 00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:32,370 know then I mr. Hancock and and and you 581 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:34,830 know we've got a winged humanoid 582 00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:37,920 sighting 400 miles and in less than two 583 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:42,990 years later in in Indiana so who knows 584 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:45,960 so now these sightings and you know 585 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:48,510 including the the more recent sightings 586 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,250 starting in 2017 587 00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:52,860 are the physical descriptions of of 588 00:29:58,820 --> 00:29:56,640 these winged cryptids pretty close to 589 00:30:01,910 --> 00:29:58,830 the same you know as there is are likes 590 00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:01,920 wide variation or are people seen pretty 591 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:05,670 much the same type of creature sure you 592 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:08,130 know it it it really is you know I 593 00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:09,690 actually went back and I've done this a 594 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:12,060 couple times since this started you know 595 00:30:17,060 --> 00:30:14,010 I would go back and I would reread the 596 00:30:19,550 --> 00:30:17,070 Mothman Prophecies you know just kind of 597 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:19,560 look for it for similarities because you 598 00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:20,820 know you have to imagine I am 599 00:30:27,139 --> 00:30:24,059 I'm I'm you know sort of struggling to 600 00:30:29,899 --> 00:30:27,149 get traction here and make sense of this 601 00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:29,909 and so you know one of the things I 602 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:33,000 noticed was even in those West Virginia 603 00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:35,490 sightings you know kill one would talk 604 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:39,929 about you know people describing these 605 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:42,570 winged humanoids is bad like or or bird 606 00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:46,700 like you know you talk about the the the 607 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:49,980 glowing eyes and and and that's pretty 608 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:53,490 generally how people that we've talked 609 00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:56,960 to in in 2017 and on have been 610 00:31:02,480 --> 00:30:59,580 describing what what they've seen you 611 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:02,490 know there there is some variation and 612 00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,250 and some of it can be you know pretty 613 00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:08,279 startling you know as as as far as that 614 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:10,950 goes you know yeah for instance you know 615 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:14,730 like sometimes people will describe the 616 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:17,929 the being as you know maybe having a 617 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:21,570 leathery or or scaly texture to its skin 618 00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,720 I had a guy in Woodstock who swore that 619 00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,000 the the thing had fur and I mean Emily 620 00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,159 and I went down like I met this guy we 621 00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,200 met his wife we were at their house like 622 00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:36,480 these were serious people they didn't 623 00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:41,460 and it took convincing actually to to 624 00:31:47,419 --> 00:31:44,100 get us down there I mean we we wanted to 625 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:47,429 go I I had to convince them that that we 626 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:49,830 weren't can out them that that I was 627 00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:52,110 gonna tell people who he was 628 00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:55,019 you know I I can't think of anything 629 00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,440 that they had to gain from this and 630 00:32:03,499 --> 00:32:00,299 frankly that's been the story of of 631 00:32:07,399 --> 00:32:03,509 every witness that I've spoken to but 632 00:32:10,369 --> 00:32:07,409 yeah there has been some variation in 633 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:10,379 the witness descriptions you know a a 634 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:14,850 lot of that I think personally can sort 635 00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:18,570 of be chalked up to you know exactly the 636 00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,299 level of variation you would expect when 637 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:24,179 when asking somebody to describe 638 00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:25,830 something that they don't even 639 00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,519 necessarily have the words for you know 640 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:31,919 a lot of people like to use pop-culture 641 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:35,360 references I think they find that very 642 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:38,030 you know when you're trying to relate to 643 00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:41,990 somebody an impossible experience you 644 00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:43,550 kind of use whatever tools you have 645 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:47,480 available so you know we've we've had 646 00:32:54,330 --> 00:32:50,600 more than a few people sort of compare 647 00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:54,340 what they had seen to the monster from 648 00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:57,320 Jeepers Creepers if anybody is familiar 649 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:01,730 with that one yeah but but but yeah 650 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:04,250 generally speaking you know we're we're 651 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:08,080 looking at pretty consistent picture of 652 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:11,600 something that people described as being 653 00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:15,410 you know roughly humanoid shape between 654 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:19,540 anywhere between six to eight feet tall 655 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:22,850 generally and then you know maybe a 10 656 00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:26,510 to 15 foot wingspan more often than not 657 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,100 people will describe you know the thighs 658 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:33,440 as the only prominent feature on its 659 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:36,940 face and you know that was actually uh 660 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:40,610 another consistency that I found between 661 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:44,080 these and the older West Virgina 662 00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:47,030 accounts - you know and I he'll even 663 00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:51,560 mentioned it in his book how unusual it 664 00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:53,720 was you know nobody if people would get 665 00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:55,430 a good enough look at this thing at 666 00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:58,460 least seemingly I don't know but you 667 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,470 know the the details of its features 668 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,440 were pretty scant you know nobody really 669 00:34:08,650 --> 00:34:05,120 described its face they would just all 670 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:08,660 describe these these huge mesmerizing 671 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:11,270 eyes and and we've seen we've seen a 672 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:15,050 pretty good amount of that it's always 673 00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:18,470 it's always interesting though that when 674 00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:22,900 when dealing with a lot of unusual 675 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:26,870 possibly paranormal based cryptids the 676 00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:30,710 red eyes is is featured quite often I 677 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:32,780 mean and not just with winged cryptids 678 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:35,290 you know you have like the black shocks 679 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:40,630 the you know like the alleged werewolves 680 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:44,450 of Bray Road there in Wisconsin you know 681 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:46,730 there's just something about those red 682 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:48,210 eyes that 683 00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,010 you know I mean it's all across the 684 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:52,320 board oh yeah I mean you're absolutely 685 00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:55,320 right you know even some you know hairy 686 00:35:00,140 --> 00:34:57,840 hominid sightings I think Momo the 687 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:00,150 Missouri monster was was supposed to 688 00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:04,500 have red eyes and I you know I I don't 689 00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:06,120 know what to make of it it's it's just 690 00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:08,460 sort of one of those synchronicities 691 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:10,950 that you have to take note of you know 692 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:14,940 especially because in most of the cases 693 00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:17,430 you know it's not necessarily something 694 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:21,120 that I would chock up to you know say 695 00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:25,050 like I shine you know be because most of 696 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:27,030 the people with whom I've spoken like 697 00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:28,770 theirs they don't have a directed light 698 00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:31,080 source you know they're they're not 699 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:33,150 shining a light in this in this thing's 700 00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:36,930 eyes to get it to to light up and 701 00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:39,860 reflect back at them or anything and so 702 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:44,420 you have to wonder if in and this is 703 00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:48,960 contrary to all you know biology as we 704 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:51,590 understand it but it's almost as though 705 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:55,380 these eyes you know are self-illuminated 706 00:36:01,700 --> 00:35:58,170 somehow which doesn't seem great for 707 00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:01,710 actually seeing anything but I you know 708 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:04,670 that's that's that's what people are 709 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:07,310 reporting and it is sort of across the 710 00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,410 board like you said between between 711 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:12,660 different potentially paranormal 712 00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:16,290 cryptids now I'm curious have you had a 713 00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,030 chance to do any follow-up interviews 714 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:22,880 with these people 715 00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:26,610 afterwards and and the reason that I'm 716 00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:30,180 asking is that a lot of times and and 717 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,100 and I found this with my own research 718 00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:35,400 and in cases like this not only with 719 00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,350 these unusual cryptids but a lot of 720 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:39,540 times you know with with UFO sightings 721 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:44,430 that people down the road will start 722 00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:47,310 experiencing other types of paranormal 723 00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:49,080 phenomena you know a poltergeist will 724 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:52,860 move into their house some some people 725 00:36:59,780 --> 00:36:56,130 will actually have a change of 726 00:37:00,860 --> 00:36:59,790 personality and become interested in you 727 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:00,870 know 728 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,850 or extreme mathematics and and some 729 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:08,240 people have even gone as far as to 730 00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,770 abandoning their families completely and 731 00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:12,900 going off on a completely different path 732 00:37:22,610 --> 00:37:17,000 in their life yeah I mean well you know 733 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:22,620 we haven't had quite enough time I think 734 00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:27,030 as far as you know between when the 735 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:32,190 report was was taken and and and and and 736 00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:34,590 where we are now you know I mean first 737 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,270 something specific and and that's an 738 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:37,680 excellent point that that you brought up 739 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,330 by the way because it is absolutely true 740 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:40,640 these are very very powerful 741 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:42,690 life-changing experiences and they do 742 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,680 have a tendency to you know just cause 743 00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:48,780 people's lives to spiral off into all 744 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:51,140 kinds of interesting directions but you 745 00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,500 know the only reports that we had that 746 00:38:02,720 --> 00:37:58,320 were really old enough I think to 747 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:02,730 measure if somebody had had that that 748 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:06,330 kind of experience after you know were 749 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:11,130 we're only taken in 2017 or or later so 750 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,690 for instance somebody had experience in 751 00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:15,720 the 70s well we still didn't get that 752 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:18,630 report until you know 2017 so we really 753 00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:21,180 want to look at the people who were 754 00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:24,270 experiencing things and you know 2000 in 755 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:27,300 the you know the 2000 teens 756 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:30,450 basically and and and follow up with 757 00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:35,250 them I have kept in contact with a good 758 00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:39,360 number of these witnesses and and I I 759 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:43,740 can honestly say for some of them that 760 00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:45,890 yeah this this this definitely wasn't 761 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:52,200 their only paranormal experience you 762 00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:53,670 know I 763 00:38:59,900 --> 00:38:57,420 hmm I actually had a guy that you know 764 00:39:03,170 --> 00:38:59,910 this is another one where I was on site 765 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:03,180 doing this investigation and and after 766 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:06,780 he had had his sighting and this guy was 767 00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:09,390 terrified by the way I mean he was he 768 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,510 was sweating buckets I mean it was it 769 00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,400 wasn't particularly hot outside he was 770 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,500 but he was scared you know I was a 771 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:20,640 stranger obviously and and he was he was 772 00:39:26,539 --> 00:39:23,730 telling me about this you know this this 773 00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,549 powerful experience he had had and it 774 00:39:32,799 --> 00:39:28,260 had clearly you know shaken him to his 775 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:32,809 core and and after we were all done in 776 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,910 you know he he said that he had 777 00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,200 experienced some other things but he 778 00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:39,900 wanted to leave those Oh like you didn't 779 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:41,880 want me to put any of that other stuff 780 00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:44,250 into his report which is why I'm being 781 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:48,240 very sort of big about this but you know 782 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:53,520 it was it was a series of I think that 783 00:40:03,980 --> 00:39:56,690 what I would best describe sort of as as 784 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:03,990 visionary experiences involving did what 785 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:06,180 what most people would conceive of is is 786 00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:10,200 sort of the the traditional like alien 787 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:16,020 gray and you know nothing about this guy 788 00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:20,910 struck me as unusual you know in his 789 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:24,480 mannerisms you know I've spoken to you 790 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:28,650 know alien abdomen and similar where you 791 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:30,690 know they'll if if they seem really 792 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,089 really manic or or scattered or 793 00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,040 something like that then you know maybe 794 00:40:40,789 --> 00:40:37,440 I start thinking that you know mental 795 00:40:42,579 --> 00:40:40,799 illness is a factor and and I go from 796 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:42,589 there and and you know maybe you want to 797 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:45,990 recommend that that they talk to 798 00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:48,089 somebody if they haven't although by no 799 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:50,940 means is that the norm most witnesses 800 00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:53,430 are just normal people who saw something 801 00:40:59,599 --> 00:40:56,400 impossible but anyway this guy he didn't 802 00:41:04,339 --> 00:40:59,609 strike me as anything like that he he 803 00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:04,349 struck me as a very normal guy who was 804 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:06,119 just terrified by 805 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:09,690 a series of events for which he had no 806 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:13,650 rational explanation and you know I wish 807 00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,569 I could go back in time and talk to some 808 00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:17,579 of the people who have had decades you 809 00:41:23,809 --> 00:41:21,119 know between their experiences and and 810 00:41:25,999 --> 00:41:23,819 present day but I can tell you with a 811 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:26,009 lot of those encounters the ones that 812 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:27,690 have been going you know well the the 813 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:29,970 ones that had had happened quite some 814 00:41:38,539 --> 00:41:34,700 time ago they often did actually spark a 815 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:38,549 series of events that you know could 816 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:41,970 span years if not decades I mean there 817 00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:46,410 was a guy that I spoke to in Indiana 818 00:41:57,529 --> 00:41:51,960 actually who had seen this you know 819 00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:57,539 red-eyed wing to being and he would you 820 00:42:01,700 --> 00:41:59,249 know it scared the scared the crap out 821 00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:01,710 of him you know he was just out for a 822 00:42:05,749 --> 00:42:04,230 walk one night and he started to feel 823 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:05,759 like maybe something was watching him 824 00:42:11,269 --> 00:42:07,769 and he he got real nervous and then he 825 00:42:14,779 --> 00:42:11,279 saw this thing fly over him when it fit 826 00:42:17,269 --> 00:42:14,789 the sort of general Mothman description 827 00:42:20,269 --> 00:42:17,279 with the glowing red eyes and every 828 00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:20,279 night and you know he told me ever since 829 00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,819 then you know every once in a while you 830 00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:25,380 know he still takes his his nighttime 831 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:29,039 walks out in the country but you know 832 00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:31,410 he'll catch a glimpse of these red eyes 833 00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:33,539 out in a field or something somewhere 834 00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:36,359 and and it always unnerved him and he 835 00:42:43,759 --> 00:42:40,440 just he just power walks his way home so 836 00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,769 yeah you know it's it isn't necessarily 837 00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:46,680 a one-and-done kind of event I think it 838 00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:49,140 is something that can tend to haunt 839 00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:52,950 people for for sometime alright so now 840 00:43:00,289 --> 00:42:56,430 here we are in 2019 are there still 841 00:43:03,049 --> 00:43:00,299 reports coming in new new reports right 842 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:03,059 yeah definitely so actually very 843 00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:09,410 interestingly there were there was a 844 00:43:15,529 --> 00:43:13,160 flap what more of a flutter really oh 845 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:15,539 yeah you guys can steal that one of you 846 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:19,740 of sightings in Woodstock Illinois 847 00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,010 earlier this this year and so you know I 848 00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,140 I mentioned before Emily and I you know 849 00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:28,200 going down and and speaking to a witness 850 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:31,110 and and you know meeting his wife and 851 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:33,450 then being able to talk to them you know 852 00:43:39,830 --> 00:43:37,470 after his encounter with a hairy winged 853 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:39,840 being and then and this was that guy and 854 00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:43,500 so after his sighting you know other 855 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:45,600 people came forward and this was 856 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:50,010 February 2019 you know other other 857 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:52,020 people came forward we had another 858 00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:53,700 witness say that she saw something very 859 00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,360 similar I actually even got and this was 860 00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:59,040 interesting this is the first you know 861 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:01,560 sort of tangible evidence of anything 862 00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:03,930 that I can I could hold in my hand if I 863 00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:07,710 wanted there was a guy down in Woodstock 864 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:09,780 there who actually called 911 he saw 865 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,550 this thing whatever the heck it was and 866 00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:14,640 it scared him enough that yeah he he 867 00:44:18,350 --> 00:44:16,500 called 9-1-1 i had this incident 868 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:18,360 detailed report because the McHenry 869 00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:21,090 County Sheriff's Office is extremely 870 00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:23,340 helpful I was shocked and how helpful 871 00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:26,520 they actually were hmm but I submitted 872 00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:28,470 because he contacted me said this has 873 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,670 happened to him said he had called the 874 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,400 police I submitted the FOIA request with 875 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:34,440 the McHenry honey County Sheriff's 876 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:36,990 Office and they sent me this incident 877 00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:40,050 detail report and it shows you know this 878 00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:41,660 guy called 9-1-1 879 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:43,980 sheriff's deputy went out to the scene 880 00:44:49,310 --> 00:44:46,290 and and you know he talked to the the 881 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:49,320 the witness they didn't end up filing in 882 00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,090 official report because the the 883 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:52,800 sheriff's deputy said he he looked 884 00:44:58,099 --> 00:44:55,140 around and he couldn't find anything but 885 00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,109 the fact remains you know in February of 886 00:45:03,859 --> 00:45:01,680 2019 Woodstock Illinois somebody saw 887 00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:03,869 something that scared them enough that 888 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:07,260 they called 911 and we have proof it 889 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,770 definitely happened so yeah it's this 890 00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,200 stuff is still happening all right well 891 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:14,880 unfortunately we only have about three 892 00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:17,010 minutes left in our program tonight 893 00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:19,560 Tobias so I want to give you a chance to 894 00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:22,830 have you let our audience know where 895 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:25,859 they can find you online and 896 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:28,890 if you have any like say okay upcoming 897 00:45:34,009 --> 00:45:30,930 events that you yeah you know what to 898 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:34,019 talk about yeah definitely so you can 899 00:45:39,949 --> 00:45:36,930 find me at the singular forty in society 900 00:45:43,339 --> 00:45:39,959 that's singular for TN calm you can also 901 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:43,349 find us the the second for teens as I do 902 00:45:47,539 --> 00:45:45,690 that is everywhere on social media so I 903 00:45:49,279 --> 00:45:47,549 you know I I hope you guys will consider 904 00:45:54,469 --> 00:45:49,289 you know liking us and following us on 905 00:45:56,779 --> 00:45:54,479 Facebook Instagram Twitter Tumblr every 906 00:45:58,459 --> 00:45:56,789 every social media site you can think of 907 00:46:00,289 --> 00:45:58,469 you know if there's one that we're 908 00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,299 missing just let us know and we'll add 909 00:46:06,229 --> 00:46:03,119 ourselves to it as far as upcoming 910 00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:06,239 events I will be in the haunted for our 911 00:46:13,099 --> 00:46:11,640 schoolhouse july 20th for the beyond the 912 00:46:18,049 --> 00:46:13,109 grave Paracon they are I'll be talking 913 00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:18,059 about the Lake Michigan Mothman and then 914 00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:21,209 again in September I've got a handful of 915 00:46:26,769 --> 00:46:23,579 events October 14th we've got the 916 00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:26,779 Milwaukee Paracon and then September 917 00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,109 27th I will be at the Perry nomicon at 918 00:46:35,449 --> 00:46:33,180 the Mabel Tainter theater in Menomonie 919 00:46:37,249 --> 00:46:35,459 Wisconsin that's a big one Lauren Cole 920 00:46:40,729 --> 00:46:37,259 will be there Grant Wilson will be there 921 00:46:43,999 --> 00:46:40,739 Carl Pfeifer Travis Walton and myself 922 00:46:46,819 --> 00:46:44,009 all sharing the the main stage to give 923 00:46:49,789 --> 00:46:46,829 our various presentations and then the 924 00:46:53,299 --> 00:46:49,799 very next day I will be in Rockford 925 00:47:03,370 --> 00:46:53,309 Illinois for the Illinois paranormal 926 00:47:08,779 --> 00:47:06,890 yeah and you have a big wingspan - I 927 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:08,789 understand but anyway thank you for 928 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:10,650 being on see had a great conversation 929 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:14,249 and this will be up of course on the KC 930 00:47:20,449 --> 00:47:17,910 or archives that probably later on this 931 00:47:23,989 --> 00:47:20,459 evening and don't forget to visit and 932 00:47:27,309 --> 00:47:23,999 subscribe to our YouTube page mr. 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